Shrinking-Woman Site - Ilayhu

[bobvan]

I appreciate the discussion and honestly I have probably drawn some hard lines. I know some of my earlier pieces had a shrunken kid that I posted to DA. Then I had some interactions with some true pedos and maybe I over course corrected, but I feel it’s safer TBH.

Not saying that interactions between kids and adults in shrunken scenarios can’t be cute / platonic / nonsexual, but given the venue we are in, it treads a line to me.

In some of my other photoshop work which isn’t posted to a “bobascher” account, such as Facebook photoshop requests, I do still make art with children and shrinking troupes (e.g., putting kids in hot chocolate cups, putting kids in costumes inside toy boxes as if they are the toy), but it’s in a clearly not fetish venue.

So again, not calling anyone a pedo, but using kids in any fetish site or in a fetish adjacent context gets really squeamish for me, particularly since, as you and I have experienced, there are many pedos with this kink. Having that in time and space barrier really makes things safer.

As I posted after the fact. I understand what you meant with imagery you were referring to. It grosses me out, too.

But it's part of LOTG. Which is why they only toy with little people people by dressing them in doll outfits or force them in toy cars pawns in a board game ect.

[Little Sally]

Not saying that interactions between kids and adults in shrunken scenarios can’t be cute / platonic / nonsexual, but given the venue we are in, it treads a line to me.

As I posted after the fact. I understand what you meant with imagery you were referring to. It grosses me out, too.

Apologies for quoting just snippets of your discussion (in order to get your attention), but I just wanted you to know I've been following it all.

To me, the art on this thread is a perfect example of stuff aimed at a specific target audience, and whether it's good art or not is entirely down to the viewer's preference I suppose. But the overall message I get from it myself, is one of exploitation and cruelty towards tiny defenceless little women. Not cruelty in it's most obvious and violent form of course (I assume the site is too savvy to go down that road), but the kind that suggests it's fun to inflict humiliation and mental cruelty on someone who is tiny.

At a guess, I think this kind of content would be likely aimed at a younger and/or impressionable audience, rather than an intelligent and more mature age range. But hey, I could be way off the mark with that one.

As for the child porn thing, I think you'd be pretty hard pressed (or a very sad individual) to derive any "jollification" in these kind of rendered offerings. But then again as we all know, it takes all sorts to make up a fetish community.

[bobvan]

To me, the art on this thread is a perfect example of stuff aimed at a specific target audience, and whether it's good art or not is entirely down to the viewer's preference I suppose. But the overall message I get from it myself, is one of exploitation and cruelty towards tiny defenceless little women. Not cruelty in it's most obvious and violent form of course (I assume the site is too savvy to go down that road), but the kind that suggests it's fun to inflict humiliation and mental cruelty on someone who is tiny.

Sounds like your calling my style immature and childish. What can I say Kindness puts me to sleep and bores me but like you said to each our own..

[Little Sally]

To me, the art on this thread is a perfect example of stuff aimed at a specific target audience, and whether it's good art or not is entirely down to the viewer's preference I suppose. But the overall message I get from it myself, is one of exploitation and cruelty towards tiny defenceless little women. Not cruelty in it's most obvious and violent form of course (I assume the site is too savvy to go down that road), but the kind that suggests it's fun to inflict humiliation and mental cruelty on someone who is tiny.

Sounds like your calling my style immature and childish. What can I say Kindness puts me to sleep and bores me but like you said to each our own..

I think you need to grow up a little Bob and not take things so personally. I was making specific reference to the art that this thread's topic is pushing to gain an audience, and not your own work.

I like to think you're a bit cleverer than to mimic the style of the Ilayhu site.

[bobvan]

I think you need to grow up a little Bob and not take things so personally. I was making specific reference to the art that this thread's topic is pushing to gain an audience, and not your own work.

I did not feel that it was necessarily directed at *me* per say, more the remark of the tormenting style being directed to a less mature audience that the more mature intelligent audience would prefer a more "gentle" approach. Funny thing is Im older than you are. I guess it depends on of what attracted us to it.

Is there some psychological reasons why that is, I am sure there is

All good

[Bobascher]

As for the child porn thing, I think you'd be pretty hard pressed (or a very sad individual) to derive any "jollification" in these kind of rendered offerings. But then again as we all know, it takes all sorts to make up a fetish community.

It certainly does…given some of the other content I have seen out there (not including bobvan’s who I think has a pulp comic feel), some folks don’t need much to get off. Not that my content is great (because it ain’t), but I see some people who draw huge crowds with badly cropped models, horrible shadows and fairly contrived plots.

But since they make money and I don’t, perhaps I should be taking notes

[bobvan]

As for the child porn thing, I think you'd be pretty hard pressed (or a very sad individual) to derive any "jollification" in these kind of rendered offerings. But then again as we all know, it takes all sorts to make up a fetish community.

It certainly does…given some of the other content I have seen out there (not including bobvan’s who I think has a pulp comic feel),

That's pretty well it comic style with high end graphics. I realize that some folks prefer pictured collages over digital art. I totally get that since a lot of comic style stuff especially Manga does nothing for me

If collaging would give me the option of producing long stories. I prolly would use the format

[Little Sally]

All good

Ha, that's good then.

I did not feel that it was necessarily directed at *me* per say, more the remark of the tormenting style being directed to a less mature audience that the more mature intelligent audience would prefer a more "gentle" approach.

So ok, I can see why you might have thought I was commenting about rendered art in general. But no, I was just offering my thoughts about the art in the thread's topic, which is only my interpretation and an opinion at the end of the day (or in other words, it counts for nothing). As for who I think the intended audience is for it, I did say I was guessing and could be wrong. However, I do feel the style and content is meant to appeal to a certain kind of audience who like what they are seeing.

Which of course, doesn't necessarily make them bad people or weirdos.

Funny thing is Im older than you are. I guess it depends on of what attracted us to it.
Is there some psychological reasons why that is, I am sure there is

Hey, we'd need another thread to delve into all that lol!
But seriously, who knows? Tastes vary so widely in this fantasy, it's always fascinating to learn what inspired folks in the first place.

As for the child porn thing, I think you'd be pretty hard pressed (or a very sad individual) to derive any "jollification" in these kind of rendered offerings. But then again as we all know, it takes all sorts to make up a fetish community.

It certainly does…given some of the other content I have seen out there (not including bobvan’s who I think has a pulp comic feel), some folks don’t need much to get off. Not that my content is great (because it ain’t), but I see some people who draw huge crowds with badly cropped models, horrible shadows and fairly contrived plots.

But since they make money and I don’t, perhaps I should be taking notes

I think I might have given the impression I was knocking rendered art in what I said above, but I wasn't (Bobvan please take note). The same principal could be applied to any form of art including collage, in that it doesn't take a lot for some people to "get off" on it sexually.

But as for the medium we use Bob (Bobascher), I've noticed the same kind of thing myself. You could make the crappiest of collages and get huge viewing figures if the content appeals enough (and we know what that is lol!), because most of them wouldn't know a good collage if it smacked them in the face, so I never let it bother me now.

As for getting earnings. I think you're more the doing work that pleases you first kind of person, rather than the money thing. I don't think I'd like that kind of pressure myself, unless someone made me a really silly offer haha!

[bobvan]

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I think sometimes things get lost in translation. I can see how I 1st responded to Sally made it look like I was upset by her statement same on how I 1st responded to other Bob I just meant them as simple disagreements to what they were stating. I did not feel attacked personally and just meant to turn them into discussion. I too am fascinated to what makes us tick. We are all in agreement in regards to the CP angle of it.

As far as talent being relevant I see it too. A render with no effort with lighting and textures will get huge praises. At least people are contributing..

Sally I was not referring to digital art vs photo collages more from what you said;

I get from it myself, is one of exploitation and cruelty towards tiny defenceless little women. Not cruelty in it's most obvious and violent form of course (I assume the site is too savvy to go down that road), but the kind that suggests it's fun to inflict humiliation and mental cruelty on someone who is tiny.

At a guess, I think this kind of content would be likely aimed at a younger and/or impressionable audience, rather than an intelligent and more mature age range. But hey, I could be way off the mark with that one.

To me it sounded like you said that tormenting SW's was aimed at an immature audience vs a mature one. I do not necessarily agree with that statement. That's all

[Who is who]

I know, i wanted to take a pause and stop rendering. But looking at Ilyhuha or whoever .. his/their "art" , it is creepy. I got some some strange responses from my shrunken mom pictures .. and earlier this year i posted a picture of a toddler, very blurred in the background, reaching for his mom on a discord server in a sfw section.BAD idea. And looking at girls grabbing adult women like Iluhyau, posting my pics here is an even worser idea. I was in the illusion, people could appreciate the softer, harmless idea of shrinking with some fun .. but this is a now a shrinking/torture porn board.A year ago someone would have told bob(van) to move his posts to the VSW part of the forum (sw eaten by a dog, ripped in part, killed in every possible way) but noone, including me did that.And Illuhya posts endless ads for his garbage without even looking at the responses.
At least he should notice some reaction here.
(sorry for the rant)

[bobvan]

Re written in Banter & Flamez where it belongs.

[Who is who]

but this is a now a shrinking/torture porn board.A year ago someone would have told bob(van) to move his posts to the VSW part of the forum (sw eaten by a dog, ripped in part, killed in every possible way) but noone, including me did that.
(sorry for the rant)

Wow to think I was supporting you. Ho well you did pack up your toys and storm off a few weeks back. Claim you were "retiring"

Says the man posting pics of toy looking people ?

[bobvan]

Re written in Banter & Flamez where it belongs.

[Who is who]

Lets stop that, posting like in a chat, we need to calm down!

I posted you this :

[bobvan]

Re written in Banter & Flamez where it belongs.

[Little Sally]

To me it sounded like you said that tormenting SW's was aimed at an immature audience vs a mature one. I do not necessarily agree with that statement. That's all

I think you're right in saying things (or meanings) get lost in translation with the written word, and it's not always easy to convey what you actually mean. But I'd say we're all broadly in agreement on most things, while agreeing to disagree on some finer points.

I think your own approach to "tormenting" shrunken women is on the whole humorous and tongue in cheek, with many things you do being a twist on the LOTG saga (ie, an adult variation that we'll sadly never get to see on the silver screen). The art in this thread's topic seems to try for a comic book approach to tormenting and humiliation, using the popular concept of F/f in most of its character portrayals (with cute looking teens or even younger girls doing the tormenting of their elders, and vice versa). I guess that's a factor why I'm put off by it, being a devotee of all things M/f.

But like we keep saying, each to their own and good luck to us all eh!

Ps. Good to see you active again "Who".

[Who is who]

The trouble is, there are sections for content with violence and a section without. And your pictures are part of a story. Would it make sense to show the nonviolent pictures in the non-VSW part of the forum and the violent pictures only in the VSW part ? No.
And would a VSW part of this board make any sense if the non-VSW part shows more violence ?
I am just asking.

[bobvan]

Re written in Banter & Flamez where it belongs.

[Who is who]

The trouble is, there are sections for content with violence and a section without. And your pictures are part of a story. Would it make sense to show the nonviolent pictures in the non-VSW part of the forum and the violent pictures only in the VSW part ? No.
And would a VSW part of this board make any sense if the non-VSW part shows more violence ?
I am just asking.

I kind of see your point but then it breaks up the story. You do 1 offs and even though you came at me.I still really like what you do. Specially some of the AI stuff you got a real knack for it. My stories are like Bobasher says pulp comics. They are based on a more adult version of LOTG think if it was on netflix or HBO. I did post some in VSW that I felt belonged there.

All is good!

[bobvan]

Re written in Banter & Flamez where it belongs.

[Who is who]

From the guy who makes toy people that made me laugh

Funny you should mention that from one of my episodes..

And it seems, Bob(van), you always want the last word.
I just like the idea Illayhu has to figure out what happend here last time he/she/it posted.

[Little Sally]

And it seems, Bob(van), you always want the last word.
I just like the idea Illayhu has to figure out what happend here last time he/she/it posted.

I was thinking that myself.

Though maybe it'll be a case of not giving a damn, while we're busy keeping that person's thread (Illayhu) at the top of the pile?

It's been good to vent though, and I've enjoyed reading your own thoughts.

[bobvan]

but this is a now a shrinking/torture porn board.A year ago someone would have told bob(van) to move his posts to the VSW part of the forum (sw eaten by a dog, ripped in part, killed in every possible way) but noone, including me did that.And Illuhya posts endless ads for his garbage without even looking at the responses.
At least he should notice some reaction here.
(sorry for the rant)

We will agree to disagree Which should have been my original response

[ilayhu]

Greetings, thanks for the comment, here another set, hope you enjoy them

best regards

ilayhu

You should read the comment as well.

It’s disappointing the site is choosing to use models that look like children

I do, but I never make debates, I learned that it's a huge world and people has their point of views in many things, they're free to join or comment as many times they want, cheers

[ilayhu]

Greetings, thanks for the comment, here another set, hope you enjoy them

best regards

ilayhu