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Post by pokonota » Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:34 am

Hi guys. So doing my research I got the vibe that Minimizer is a big deal in SW, or used to be. So is he legendary for you? Just wanted to know more about the SW topic
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Re: Question: is 'Minimizer' the legend of the SW topic?

Post by i am insane » Thu Dec 08, 2022 4:08 am

Alright, so, the golden age of SW is an age long past us. I, personally, came around to SW around the silver age, for a lack of a better term. In that silver age, and presumably the golden age, The Minimizer's was part personal website for Minimizer, filled with links, bios and content, both his (he made a lot of hand drawn comics, along with various pictures) and others, part forum, and for all things SW it was the place to be, bar none. Half of the links to other sites on there, in my time, were dead, and there were bios on a bunch of artists or writers gone for years, but it still was the central hub for SW specific content.

In my opinion, the 'silver' age left us when Minimizers went down and we lost god knows all what with it. This forum is two or three forums after the fact, and as good as it is to have a forum to talk on, or two even, there was a sheer community, a sense of age and collaboration that died with Minimizers and we never got back.

So, yeah, to those who there (...am I a SW veteran now? Wow. That's kinda trippy) Minimizer's and the Minimizers are something of a legend.
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Post by pokonota » Thu Dec 08, 2022 4:24 am

I see, and this was before social media existed, right?

So would you say that maybe Minimizer's site was a much cozier and human hub than today's social media, where everything is just too disjointed and impersonal? This is my theory at the moment, for the ages before social media
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Re: Question: is 'Minimizer' the legend of the SW topic?

Post by i am insane » Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:02 am

A big part of it, I think is just that it was a labour of love. The forum was a forum, of course, but the website? It's only in retrospect I realized this, but the work he must have put into it. He had stories, pictures, introductions, general information, links, and all of it personalized... part of the reason it was so vivid in my mind is that website helped explain to me what SW even was.

Beyond that, it really was cozier; everyone knew everybody. Someone made a comic, I remember, that was just someone going to a 'convention' starring all the big names of the time. I think it probably felt more... 'secret', honestly. If you got there, you got there for a reason, you know? You saw King Kong, or Honey We Shrunk Ourselves or whatever sparked it for you, and you looked for it, even if you didn't realize why yet. Hell, even when it was up, searching just 'Minimizers' would get you some car related things and maybe it'd be on the first page of results. You had to look, specifically, for shrunken women, and then you would find it, and then you would find out that you're not alone, that there's others like you, that you're welcome in this place that's just for you and those like you.

On Twitter, click on a couple NSFW anime girl related pages and you'll hit probably GTS content on accident. The fact that fetishes are so much more accepted is great, but (and this might just be the perspective of someone who got there already knowing about it and your interests), there's a sort of... 'no longer lost, no longer alone' vibe you can't get on something so... public, when things outside the norm are this much more acceptable than it was back then. I think it's a feeling, a sort of relief, that only comes from things being worse, so that relief is that much better, if that makes sense.
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Re: Question: is 'Minimizer' the legend of the SW topic?

Post by Little Sally » Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:16 am

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Thu Dec 08, 2022 4:24 am
I see, and this was before social media existed, right?

So would you say that maybe Minimizer's site was a much cozier and human hub than today's social media, where everything is just too disjointed and impersonal? This is my theory at the moment, for the ages before social media
Minimizer's site is where many of us discovered and developed on the fetish, and then the SWRealm forum took up the cause when the Minimizer site went down. Sadly that too bit the dust a few years ago, when problems developed with the hosting platform.

Minimizer's really was the best show in town for a long long time and is still sadly missed, mainly due I think to all the fascinating characters among the membership back then. Many of which we seem to have lost since those halcyon days.

It was as "I am insane" says a labour of love by one person, and this link provides a glimpse of what it was like.

http://web.archive.org/web/200306062138 ... /main.html
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Re: Question: is 'Minimizer' the legend of the SW topic?

Post by Little Sally » Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:25 pm

animationfan wrote:
Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:34 am
Hi guys. So doing my research I got the vibe that Minimizer is a big deal in SW, or used to be. So is he legendary for you? Just wanted to know more about the SW topic
So have the replies you've had been helpful? (my own included).

It would be nice to know if they have.
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Re: Question: is 'Minimizer' the legend of the SW topic?

Post by pokonota » Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:27 pm

Little Sally wrote:
Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:25 pm
animationfan wrote:
Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:34 am
Hi guys. So doing my research I got the vibe that Minimizer is a big deal in SW, or used to be. So is he legendary for you? Just wanted to know more about the SW topic
So have the replies you've had been helpful? (my own included).

It would be nice to know if they have.
Yes, you have provided a lot of context and color to the history of SW and Minimizer's role in it, and the vibe at the time of sharing in the low technology era.

If there are any other perspectives, please post them here, I wanna know all about it
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Re: Question: is 'Minimizer' the legend of the SW topic?

Post by Little Sally » Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:55 pm

animationfan wrote:
Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:27 pm
Little Sally wrote:
Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:25 pm


So have the replies you've had been helpful? (my own included).

It would be nice to know if they have.
Yes, you have provided a lot of context and color to the history of SW and Minimizer's role in it, and the vibe at the time of sharing in the low technology era.

If there are any other perspectives, please post them here, I wanna know all about it
I'm assuming you checked out the link I posted courtesy of the Wayback Machine site? I think it's staggering how much work Minimizer put into that site of his, not to mention overseeing the forum that accompanied it. And yes, there was a refreshing vibe about the fetish in those earlier days before social media began to creep in, which is when the shrunken woman fantasy slowly started to wane in popularity for some reason. There were numerous sites in those earlier days with their own unique take on things SW related, now you've a job to find anything of that nature. So I think it's fair to assume the hobby has become a minority interest these days.

Of course many individuals have their own Facebook pages dedicated to SW, and it's the same on DeviantArt (I can't speak for Twitter or any other platforms because I don't use them), but long gone are the times when we had dozens of websites to visit. Now it's GTS that seems to be the big attraction for many (even SM), not to mention weird and wonderful fetishes that include transformation and furries and the like. It takes all sorts I guess lol!

I'm also assuming that you've noticed that Minimizer has made a couple of posts on here this last couple of days? So I hope you've managed to make contact.
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Re: Question: is 'Minimizer' the legend of the SW topic?

Post by i am insane » Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:50 am

which is when the shrunken woman fantasy slowly started to wane in popularity for some reason.
You know, I have a thought on this: before, the way a lot people got into this was that we saw on movies, or TV, shrunken women, and we followed that trail. There are a lot less SWs in the media these days, for probably a lot of reasons, but without that to introduce it it's probably harder to realize if you have this fetish.
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Re: Question: is 'Minimizer' the legend of the SW topic?

Post by rscholar » Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:50 am

animationfan wrote:
Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:34 am
Hi guys. So doing my research I got the vibe that Minimizer is a big deal in SW, or used to be. So is he legendary for you? Just wanted to know more about the SW topic
I'm in my mid-30's - I found Min's site in my early teens. I think I knew to some extent that shrinking was fetish to me, but couldn't embrace it because it just wasn't something you'd see depicted anywhere like you would with even the risque kinks like BDSM. With one impromptu Google search, I was on his homepage reading his entries about what SW was and how other creators before opened his eyes to the wider community. It was like he was narrating my life and feelings in real-time as I was reading - the line "I couldn't believe my eyes: I wasn't alone!" is burned into my memory. Even more, his interests trended towards gentle and adventurous with a side of silly kink rather than explicit or pornographic, which is similar to my tastes and helped ease me into his works and beyond. Through this site (and all of its incarnations), I've discovered The Process and GiantessCity and the wider size-based community. I've gone from lurker to occasional collage artist and "treasure hunter" (researching and posting stuff from the media) to publishing several comics with ShrinkFan, exploring and deepening my understanding of this fetish and my own feelings (or at least attempting to). I learned a lot, fetish and otherwise, and I've developed confidence in my artistry and writing ability and who I am as a person because of my involvement here.

It wouldn't be a stretch to say Minimizer changed my life and I'm thankful to him and everyone who has carried on his legacy.

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Re: Question: is 'Minimizer' the legend of the SW topic?

Post by pokonota » Fri Dec 09, 2022 7:35 am

rscholar wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:50 am
It was like he was narrating my life and feelings in real-time as I was reading - the line "I couldn't believe my eyes: I wasn't alone!" is burned into my memory.
I see, I see, and one aspect I wonder is: do you feel that such moments would be possible in the modern hyper-connected, social media world? Or is it a "you would have had to be there to understand" for those who were born in the social media era?
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Re: Question: is 'Minimizer' the legend of the SW topic?

Post by rscholar » Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:16 am

animationfan wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 7:35 am
rscholar wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:50 am
It was like he was narrating my life and feelings in real-time as I was reading - the line "I couldn't believe my eyes: I wasn't alone!" is burned into my memory.
I see, I see, and one aspect I wonder is: do you feel that such moments would be possible in the modern hyper-connected, social media world? Or is it a "you would have had to be there to understand" for those who were born in the social media era?
It's hard to say since it would probably depend on the site someone stumbles upon and how it's structured. The site I came to back in the day was a basic design with Min's own opinions and works - it was pared down and personal so he could make his experiences more detailed and relatable. An open forum is a little trickier, but some topics like "How did you get into SW?" could still be inspiring to newcomers.

I actually think the bigger issue might be that there are fewer media-based examples of size-change, at least with shrinking. I feel like mass-entertainment that featured shrinking - movies, cartoons, etc - peaked in the 90's and then mostly disappeared. Anything after that was somewhat rare and nowhere near as intricate as the stuff most of us grew up with - Honey I Shrunk the Kids, Disney's Alice in Wonderland, Totally Spies, Charmed, etc. The best I'd say we've gotten in the past two decades was the Tim Burton Wonderland movie (someone here mentioned they overheard a young woman say that movie turned her on specifically because of its depiction of shrinking). As nice as it is to think that Youtube, which didn't exist when Min's was first around (we had to download video files to see anything!), could make finding vintage size content much easier, I just don't know what's coming out these days that would spark the same interest like it did with us.

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Re: Question: is 'Minimizer' the legend of the SW topic?

Post by Dr.Minimizer » Tue Jan 17, 2023 6:14 am

Apologies, I just found this topic...

First off, thanks for all the kind words. It's especially endearing to know that my site had some beneficial effects on people's lives. In many ways this is a kind of affirmation of my reason for being. I really appreciate that.

In regards to the old site, the thing about it back then was this: the internet was still fairly new. That's sort of the key to understanding the site's original (and now somewhat retro) appeal. At the risk of sounding like an old guy (which I am, I suppose), the site came into being back when a lot of people were still using dial-up to get to the net. (People forget that getting on the internet used to be somewhat difficult, and that cell data didn't exist. Yes, I know, hard to believe, right?) The store grew out of what amounted to an old BBS style SW forum. There were some other sites that had SW content but most were barely updated and I wanted one that I could share my feelings on SW with the rest of the fans out there. The site became a hub mostly because there wasn't anything else like it at the time. It didn't even have a forum initially, just pics and drawings and stories by me. The forum got added later and took off so much that I couldn't really manage it myself and had to enlist others to help out.

Eventually there were other sites and forums, and a lot of the original fans and posters drifted away. I still wonder whatever happened to people like Talon and Samara, for example. Someone mentioned that one of my readers (Nkondi) put out a humorous comic about a SW convention in which the various personalities from the forums went to visit. This was called "My Trip to the Mad Scientist's Convention" and I still use the sketch of my character from that comic as my avatar. Anyway, I hunted around and found that so if anyone wants to check it out, you can find it here:

My Trip to the Mad Scientist Convention

Anyway, something you may not know is that the site was hosted by another SW fan (I forget the name) who gave me a ton (for the time) of free space with no monthly charges. Back then money was tight for me and having free hosting is literally the only reason the site was able to exist. However, eventually the guy got laid off or fired, I never found out which, and when the company migrated to a new server none of my passwords worked anymore. That meant I could no longer update the site or the forum, and I felt pretty sure if I tried to ask the people there for help that they would've said "wtf are you doing on our server" and deleted everything. So, after some research, I realized the forum was dead no matter what because I couldn't possibly transfer it, and hosting all that material at a new location would be too expensive. So, I migrated the good stuff to DeviantArt (where it remains today) and let the domain registration die out. Ironically, the original files are probably still on that company's servers, but with no DNS pointer to it you can't access them any more.

In any event I kept pretty much everything so if anybody wants any of my old stuff just let me know and I can slap it into a DA folder for your downloading pleasure. I even have all the HTML site files, and while the forum wouldn't work, I could theoretically rebuild the whole thing exactly as it stood at the time it got closed. (not that I intend to do so, just saying)

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Post by Prof Sai » Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:01 am

Minimizer!

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Re: Question: is 'Minimizer' the legend of the SW topic?

Post by coolguy69 » Wed Jan 18, 2023 5:19 am

Dr.Minimizer wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 6:14 am
Apologies, I just found this topic...

First off, thanks for all the kind words. It's especially endearing to know that my site had some beneficial effects on people's lives. In many ways this is a kind of affirmation of my reason for being. I really appreciate that.

In regards to the old site, the thing about it back then was this: the internet was still fairly new. That's sort of the key to understanding the site's original (and now somewhat retro) appeal. At the risk of sounding like an old guy (which I am, I suppose), the site came into being back when a lot of people were still using dial-up to get to the net. (People forget that getting on the internet used to be somewhat difficult, and that cell data didn't exist. Yes, I know, hard to believe, right?) The store grew out of what amounted to an old BBS style SW forum. There were some other sites that had SW content but most were barely updated and I wanted one that I could share my feelings on SW with the rest of the fans out there. The site became a hub mostly because there wasn't anything else like it at the time. It didn't even have a forum initially, just pics and drawings and stories by me. The forum got added later and took off so much that I couldn't really manage it myself and had to enlist others to help out.

Eventually there were other sites and forums, and a lot of the original fans and posters drifted away. I still wonder whatever happened to people like Talon and Samara, for example. Someone mentioned that one of my readers (Nkondi) put out a humorous comic about a SW convention in which the various personalities from the forums went to visit. This was called "My Trip to the Mad Scientist's Convention" and I still use the sketch of my character from that comic as my avatar. Anyway, I hunted around and found that so if anyone wants to check it out, you can find it here:

My Trip to the Mad Scientist Convention

Anyway, something you may not know is that the site was hosted by another SW fan (I forget the name) who gave me a ton (for the time) of free space with no monthly charges. Back then money was tight for me and having free hosting is literally the only reason the site was able to exist. However, eventually the guy got laid off or fired, I never found out which, and when the company migrated to a new server none of my passwords worked anymore. That meant I could no longer update the site or the forum, and I felt pretty sure if I tried to ask the people there for help that they would've said "wtf are you doing on our server" and deleted everything. So, after some research, I realized the forum was dead no matter what because I couldn't possibly transfer it, and hosting all that material at a new location would be too expensive. So, I migrated the good stuff to DeviantArt (where it remains today) and let the domain registration die out. Ironically, the original files are probably still on that company's servers, but with no DNS pointer to it you can't access them any more.

In any event I kept pretty much everything so if anybody wants any of my old stuff just let me know and I can slap it into a DA folder for your downloading pleasure. I even have all the HTML site files, and while the forum wouldn't work, I could theoretically rebuild the whole thing exactly as it stood at the time it got closed. (not that I intend to do so, just saying)
Thanks for explaining :D Your site was great for me to browse when I felt alone and shameful about my fetish, when I was in my early to mid 20s. It was nice that there was someone else out there who not only had the same thing but was explaining it. And the drawings you made were of such quality that it helped me discover what I truly enjoyed about the fetish :) I always skipped past the nude parts hahahaha but I always loved scenes where there was slow shrinking down, like in the magic ring when she escapes out of jail, and then under the door. "stupid ring!"

Anyways, I'm grateful for you and thanks for the site while it did exist :)

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Re: Question: is 'Minimizer' the legend of the SW topic?

Post by Dr.Minimizer » Wed Jan 18, 2023 8:30 pm

Thanks for that. I'll redraw Sandi's Trials one of these days. The would-be sorceress who keeps screwing up and shrinking herself has always been one of my favorite concepts.

Maybe if I can find the right source material I could make a photocomic out of it. Hmm....

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Post by Some Wanderer » Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:04 am

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Thanks for that. I'll redraw Sandi's Trials one of these days. The would-be sorceress who keeps screwing up and shrinking herself has always been one of my favorite concepts.

Maybe if I can find the right source material I could make a photocomic out of it. Hmm....
I wouldn't say no to a new addition of Sandi's Trials (be 2D or Live Action). It's been a while since Sandi has had a size adventure of her own.
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Re: Question: is 'Minimizer' the legend of the SW topic?

Post by Flippity-Floosy » Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:58 pm

Dr.Minimizer wrote:
Wed Jan 18, 2023 8:30 pm
Thanks for that. I'll redraw Sandi's Trials one of these days. The would-be sorceress who keeps screwing up and shrinking herself has always been one of my favorite concepts.

Maybe if I can find the right source material I could make a photocomic out of it. Hmm....
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Ahem, well, since everyone kinda already explained how much of a big deal Minimizer's was back then, I guess it's mine turn.

COUGHCOUGH, time to get cinematic:

In a world where social media hadn't existed... the internet was still in its infancy, and size fetishists fetishism around the globe was a taboo niche, hidden from the eyes of the average joe... a world underground and known only to those who sought it out.

One site stood among them...

As the majority of size enthusiasts bowed and worshiped the giantesses that took the forefront of the world wide web, the legions of men and women who would literally desire to be at the feet of women who dominated the skies and held the world in their hands, their was one who man who went against the grain and created a site that would defy such expectations of the microphiliac community.

A site that had not tiny men, but tiny women,[/i] as its main focus. An underdog in a endless race,

Where the smaller of the small community could finally realize the extent of their fetish, bonding with others who shared such passion and creative drive. Where GTS mostly reigned supreme, it was the Minimizer's that was the SW bastion that held its ground, an online sanctuary and oasis for those who just wanted to realize for those who was tired of seeing the Steves and Michaels at the foot of a giantess woman, but instead, the Shirleys and Michelles with giant men (and women too, F/f was pretty popular as well)

Indeed, it was an SW... paradise.


Alright, in all seriousness, yes, Minimizer was a pretty big deal since not only was talking about being a macrophile/microphile was a down-low, obscure fetish at the time (seriously, it's absolutely incredible just how many people actually have this fetish now that social media and the fact people are now open to talk about it nowadays), those who did were mainly into giantesses, so finding actual SW content was pretty difficult.

Now, I was a teen when I stumbled upon the site completely by accident. Somewhere probably in 2006, so in the beginning of high school for me. I've actually always been into SW since I was a kid (thanks to some shows and movies I used to watch in the 90s and the dreams I had, didn't become a sexual thing until I was a teen though), and like a crack addict getting ahold of that beautiful, snowy angel dust, I inhaled EVERYTHING. I read almost every story and comic, and checked every link. I'll admit, when I was about 16, give or take, I lied about my age to get on the forum, but for the most part, lurked until I turned eighteen and decided to actually post stuff. Of course, I posted rarely and it was until after I graduated college that I decided, you know what, screw it, lemme start posting stories and comments, and thus, I found a real place at the forum.

Of course, as we all know, shit happens and life goes on, so when the site went down I was really bummed, but then SWRealm came up, but that too fell, and now we got the SWB. I still frequent Min's site via the Wayback Machine and check out his DA page so not all hope is lost, and while I don't see as much of the old members like I used to, I'm sincerely glad to see some familiar faces here and there here, as well as new ones. And, like I said, with social media and the internet not ascending from what it was before, there is now SW content to be found quite a bit (even though its are easily outnumbered by GTS content), with places like Twitter, some places on Tumblr, AO3, GTScity, this board, and all sorts of places to find it.

Although, Minimizer will always hold a great place in my heart, even nearly two decades later. <3
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Re: Question: is 'Minimizer' the legend of the SW topic?

Post by Little Sally » Sun Jan 22, 2023 12:23 am

Flippity-Floosy wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:58 pm
Of course, as we all know, shit happens and life goes on, so when the site went down I was really bummed, but then SWRealm came up, but that too fell, and now we got the SWB. I still frequent Min's site via the Wayback Machine and check out his DA page so not all hope is lost, and while I don't see as much of the old members like I used to, I'm sincerely glad to see some familiar faces here and there here, as well as new ones.
That was a nice addition to the story, and well said. And yes, I think the main thing I miss is that many of the old gang who were there in the early days are no longer with us for whatever reason, although they are hopefully still existing and just may have moved on.

Why that should be is anyone's guess, but we carried the bulk of Min's membership into the life boat that was SW Realm and happily sailed on from there. But after that site expired.. it just hasn't been anything like the same.

But as you say, life goes on and we have to make the most of it.
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Re: Question: is 'Minimizer' the legend of the SW topic?

Post by I am Nobody » Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:50 pm

He is a major figure in this fetish yes. I miss his site and the old VSW board too. Those two sites and others introduced me to shrinking women, vore and other things. I miss the days when you could post a text only story and not have worry about being cancelled by some woke or ultraconservative idiot. If you don’t like something, don't read it was the old motto. It's not to late to restart up a new VSW board. A sister site to this one.

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Re: Question: is 'Minimizer' the legend of the SW topic?

Post by LazyOutlaw » Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:33 pm

I’m pretty sure I joined The Minimizer if I remember correctly (had a different username on there and on SWRealm) and it also helped me realize I wasn’t weird and shit for liking shrinking to the point of it being a kink. Although in hindsight I wish I realized that most nobody in general would really give a shit that I have this kink sooner and it’s not the EnD of the WoRld lol like it’s not a big a deal as younger me thought.

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Re: Question: is 'Minimizer' the legend of the SW topic?

Post by Dr.Minimizer » Thu Feb 09, 2023 9:19 pm

LazyOutlaw wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:33 pm
I’m pretty sure I joined The Minimizer if I remember correctly (had a different username on there and on SWRealm) and it also helped me realize I wasn’t weird and shit for liking shrinking to the point of it being a kink. Although in hindsight I wish I realized that most nobody in general would really give a shit that I have this kink sooner and it’s not the EnD of the WoRld lol like it’s not a big a deal as younger me thought.
Early on I used to worry about people finding out about this quite a bit. For example I was super nervous about going to my first Sizecon for that very reason. But honestly "50 Shades of Gray" seems to have evoked a subtle revolution in people nowadays where I think if I actually told my friends about this they would just say "okay whatever." (Still haven't done it yet though, but I think I'd be a lot cooler about it now than I would've 25 years ago)

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Re: Question: is 'Minimizer' the legend of the SW topic?

Post by Captainsinbad » Sat Feb 11, 2023 2:55 pm

There are those who would say that the Golden Age was actually a bit before The Minimizer joined the community. He was absolutely there for The Silver Age and the forum that he maintained was a very important focal point. He has also been a noteworthy contributor in his own right. In my opinion, "legend" might be stretching things a bit.

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Re: Question: is 'Minimizer' the legend of the SW topic?

Post by Dr.Minimizer » Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:52 pm

No, no, please, by all means, keep it up. I'm a legend. You hear me? A LEGEND!!! :lol:

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