AI art discussion

[Prof Sai]

I've been searching around and I actually don't think that Shrunken Woman Board has an AI art thread. Searching for one has proven to be a problem because of how search on this forum works.

I'm hoping this thread doesn't get too angry, as others have, and sticks to observable and measurable facts. I'm interested in conversation where there seems like a chance I could learn something new, or help others understand the world better.

I'll start off with a new idea, and might quote from other threads later:

Using copyright as a tool to suppress AI generators could have a nasty unforeseen consequence, that is exactly the opposite of what AI opponents want:

If you say that an AI art databases must only be trained on art licenced for that specific purpose, what will be the effect? I expect that AI opponents are hoping that the whole field will just disappear as a result. But they are forgetting something very important: Disney.

Disney owns enough work that they could easily create a powerful AI database. (A few other media companies do too.). They could even hire a bunch of starving chinese artists in to imitate Miyazaki or any other non-Disney artist and teach their database to imitate that style. So big corporations like Disney would not be limited at all by such a ruling, and could hire dramatically fewer artists.

But what about artists like myself, or anyone else here willing to do SW or fetish art? Well none of us have money to hire anyone, so no artistic careers will be saved. We will however face huge limitations and be set back relative to what Disney can do. And with Disney owning the tools, they would also control who gets to learn how to use them. That will totally squash new innovation. The situation we have now is far more amicable to innovation. I hope we get reasonable accommodations for the hard work of artists, including AI artists. (Jackson Pollock, anyone?)

I've read some people honestly talking about jail time for AI users. I'm sure the US prison industry is looking forward to that.

I don't fear AI I know what it is. A crutch that will become depended on even though its unnecessary

People said this about cars. No one who can walk really needs one.

Ai is art by committee without the committee. It'll be the cheap means for companies to pump out more and more cookie cutter products. Heck cars all look the same now

There is an inherent paradox in many arguments against AI:
1) AI output is terrible, and no one will watch it.
2) Artists will suffer because everyone will be watching the AI.

Obviously one of those things needs to be false, or else you are just being elitist and dismissing the opinions of most people.

[Elana]

And lets not forget that the copyright discussion right now is identical to the one they had when photography started to become a thing.


As pressing a trigger is not worth of a copyright.

Eventually they have decided if you spent hours arranging a shot, that maybe it should be copyrightable after all.

And I trist that companies with an interest in AI will bribe the right people to make the same true for pictures generated with the help of an AI

[DocRick]

Okay, here's my question regarding AI.........If someone takes or doctors a photograph of a sexually explicit minor, in most countries, it would be illegal to own, possess or share, particularly over the 'Net. (They do that, adding adult "parts" to pictures of children. I've seen them during search warrants I've served on these pigs). But if you created a picture with AI of an obviously minor involved in nudity or sexual acts, etc, would it be considered child pornography? I wonder where the line will be draw because you KNOW they will be doing it if they are not already doing it.

[Elana]

It depends on the country.
Some countries say any badly drawn version of child pornography is enough to have you rot in jail, while other countries say, there was no real child involved, so it is okay.

Ai makes things just a bit complicated as it can make some pretty realistic stuff if you prompt it in this direction.
(As soon as your prompt contains stuff like "tiny woman", you better make sure that your negative prompts specify that you don't want any children)

[Prof Sai]

(As soon as your prompt contains stuff like "tiny woman", you better make sure that your negative prompts specify that you don't want any children)

It sucks that you have to keep something awful in mind to get to what you actually do want. People can watch cat videos all day long and no one accuses them of wanting to #u¢& the cat.

[Hand-Holder]

Like it or not is here to stay, it has 2 sides of the coin, like anything else, it helps people that have no drawing or posing software skills but have the imagination, but of course there are downsides

On my part I will always identify what I produce with AI and yes, a section in the forum would help people distinguish and go or avoid, accordingly...